Bob Taylor

'I didn't ever break a finger, but now they're a bit crooked'

Bob Taylor, who spent many years as an understudy to Alan Knott, talks about finally getting his chance, stumping Miandad, and keeping at Lord's aged 45

Interview by Scott Oliver

Bob Taylor:

Bob Taylor: "If I wasn't keeping wicket very well then I'd lose sleep over it" © PA Photos

The two people I owe a debt of gratitude to for playing for England 56 more times and not being a one-cap wonder were Ian Botham and Kerry Packer. Packer because he took Alan Knott away, and Ian because he was a genuine allrounder who won matches with the bat and the ball, which meant the selectors could afford to play me as a pure wicketkeeper.

I never lost sleep if I wasn't getting runs. That didn't mean I wasn't trying, but if I wasn't keeping wicket very well then I'd lose sleep over it.

I was at Old Trafford in 1956 when Jim Laker got his 19 wickets against Australia. Our old cricket master took three of us and got some old car rugs for us to sit on outside the boundary. Neil Harvey got a pair. He tried to play Laker to silly mid-on, against the spin, but got caught by Colin Cowdrey and, in disgust with himself, threw his bat in the air and caught it. I always remember that.

I started playing at school. We used to play on a black cinder car park near the old Stoke City football ground with three stumps and a block of wood. This was just after the war, money wasn't plentiful, and batsmen used to bat with one pad on their front leg because we couldn't afford two pairs.

I'd always got confidence in my ability. It's just that there was someone else who was better than me.

One of my best Test match stumpings wasn't actually given out. It was in Karachi or Lahore. John Lever was bowling, Javed Miandad came in, and we were batting last. Off the second ball, Javed came out of his crease and dug it out and the ball skewed out toward mid-off. He finished up on a length and we all saw him pivot in his spikes - they'd got Abdul Qadir then - to rough the pitch up on a spot. He got away with it, so I said to John and the captain, "I'm going up to stop him from doing this." The fifth ball, John bowled this swinging half-volley down leg side. Javed played the walking shot. I went down the leg side and - a wicketkeeper's dream - took it all in one movement. I got the bails off, Javed was out of his crease, and the umpire - the infamous Shakoor Rana - was looking up in the stand. He hadn't got his eye on the game! "Very sorry," he said. "Not out." Ludicrous.

One day the opposition's schoolmaster asked me to go and play for his club. My schoolmaster overheard this and said, "No, he's coming with me." Little did I know he was secretary of Bignall End, Jack Ikin's home cricket club.

I didn't ever break a finger, but if you saw them now they're a bit crooked. That's wear and tear.

I made my Derbyshire debut against Sussex at Derby. I remember it very clearly. The previous day I was playing for Derbyshire 2nds against Repton School, whose opening batsman was Richard Hutton. At tea time, our coach has a phone call from Old Trafford to say that George Dawkes, the first-team wicketkeeper, had broken down and wouldn't be fit the following day. So he says, "Get yourself together, you're making your debut tomorrow." I thought, "Fantastic!" I played for the rest of the 1961 season.

"I started to go grey at the front. I got the nickname 'Pinto'. I didn't know what a pinto was. Apparently, it's a black horse with a grey mane"

When I got my highest Test score, 97 in Adelaide, it was over 100 degrees every day. In the end, I'd been in that long, I was a bit knackered and knew I'd nicked it down the leg side, so off I went. But there was only a stifled appeal from behind the wicket. To add insult to injury, the umpire, Max O'Connell, came into the dressing room at close of play and said, "Thanks for walking, Bob. I wouldn't have given you out."

I'm not particularly interested in limited-overs cricket. I have no desire to watch it. I get bored.

I looked out and saw the odds on the new scoreboard: England 500-1, Australia 2-7. I said to Gatt, "Do you want to have a bet on that? We're betting for ourselves. If you lose it's only a couple of quid; if we win, it's £1000." He said no and carried on stuffing his face, so I said, "Well, I'm going to put a bet on." But there was a crowd of Yorkshire kids wanting autographs, and if you don't oblige they call you "bighead". So I'm signing these autographs and I knew I couldn't get across to the Ladbroke's marquee and back again in time to put my pads on. It wasn't until the following day when Dennis Lillee got out and they were eight down that I thought: "Sod it, I could have won £1000!" That's the first time I thought we were going to win.

Ian Botham hit the gloves as hard as anyone.

My schoolboy hero was Godfrey Evans. But soon after I turned pro we played against Northants, who also had an England wicketkeeper, Keith Andrew, and he became my hero. He used to make it look so easy. No fuss and no bother.

For one of my first representative matches I was picked to play for MCC against the Australians at Lord's. At one point, there looked like being a run-out chance on: a throw was coming in from the boundary and Bill Lawry was running towards me, but he just kept running and knocked me flying. Whether he did it on purpose or took his eye off the ball, I don't know. The following day in a league game, in one over, Roy Fredericks nicked the ball three times off Ian Buxton and I proceeded to drop the ball three times. I thought I had made it, so that was a great leveller. It stayed with me.

Knotty was nutty as a fruitcake.

I got a hundred against Yorkshire at Sheffield - the only first-class hundred I got. It was nice to see one-zero-zero when I came off, but then it crossed my mind that the scoreboard might be wrong. It might be 99. So I said to our 12th man, John Morris, "Would you mind going round to the scorer and making sure?"

I gave Devon Malcolm his reference for his British passport. I told them I thought he'd play for England one day.

When I started playing regularly for Staffordshire, I was working for the Electricity Board on an apprenticeship. I used my two weeks' paid holiday to play Minor Counties cricket, and I was fortunate that the boss gave me time off to play more. He could have said no and I might not have got going.

I first played for Staffordshire when I was 16, with David Steele. We were both black-haired schoolboys then. We used to go for practice at Longton Cricket Club, quite an affluent club, but we used to go there and back together across the Potteries on the PMT buses: Potteries Motor Traction.

I started to go grey at the front. I got the nickname "Pinto". I didn't know what a pinto was. Apparently it's a black horse with a grey mane.

A relieved Bill Athey helps Taylor put on the keeping pads while Roland Butcher holds the gloves, Lord's, 1986

A relieved Bill Athey helps Taylor put on the keeping pads while Roland Butcher holds the gloves, Lord's, 1986 © PA Photos

In 1960, I played for the Minor Counties XI against the South Africans. Jack [Ikin] was captain, and I suppose he had an influence in my selection. You have to be in the right place at the right time and have a bit of luck.

At the start of the following season, George [Dawkes] was ready to resume his duties but crashed his car into the back of a lorry, smashed his knee and never played for Derbyshire again.

It takes ability to keep to someone like Shane Warne, but to me that's easier than keeping on the subcontinent on flat wickets against good batsmen, when you're basically redundant.

The New Zealand game at Lord's was one of my first matches looking after the corporate hospitality marquee for Cornhill. I hadn't watched much of the cricket but I knew Bruce French had been hit by Richard Hadlee. I sat down at lunch with my half-glass of red wine when the curator at the indoor school came over and said Mike Gatting wanted me on the phone. The penny didn't drop at all. Then Gatt asked me to keep wicket, so I had to dash across to the dressing room. I gave the curator my car keys and asked him to go across to the hotel opposite and get my wicketkeeping pads and gloves - I was playing one or two Lord's Taverners matches at the time - and the tennis shoes I always used to wear. I gathered various garments - Goochie's jockstrap, which was new out of the box, Bruce French's shirt and flannels, as he was the only one my size - and, of course, they couldn't stop the clock, so Bill Athey had to keep wicket for a few overs before I went out. It was a strange feeling, because I went out with no pads on and they had to stop the game so Bill could give me the pads. He was shaking like a leaf and looked up at me, saying, "Thank goodness you've come." I said, "How do you think I feel?"

I got hit in the eye and had a detached retina and severe haemorrhage, but that was batting. I tried to lap Tony Lock against the spin, got away with it a couple of times, but the third time got a top edge. I was in hospital for quite a while, not knowing whether I'd lost the eye or what.

I enjoyed the Derbyshire captaincy at first but I told the club that I'd only take it on the condition that it didn't affect my home life and the team's performances. I only did it for a season and a half, but it got to the stage that for the first time in my professional career I wasn't looking forward to going to the ground. I was dreading it.

I went on I don't know how many tours, understudying Alan Knott. Playing second fiddle was tough but you did your best. You had to be philosophical about it all. There's only one wicketkeeper who can play. I was never going to get Knotty out [of the team], because he was too good, too consistent. That's the name of the game.

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  • POSTED BY Dummy4 on | March 3, 2014, 6:09 GMT

    I still remember his partnership with Ian Botham in Bombay Test, in "80s, when Botham was called back by India"s Captain G.Viswanath, and Botham went on to score a Century. and eventually lost the match. Unfortunately, India did not have a Shakoor Rana.

  • POSTED BY Syed on | February 27, 2014, 14:54 GMT

    May be Bob's memory is bit mixed up. In the 1977-78 series against Pakistan Shakoor Rana only umpired in Karachi (3rd test) where England batted first and Pakistan second and the drawn match ended during 3rd innings, Miandad scored 23 in the only innings he played. Lahore test (First) was also drawn Shakoor Rana was *not* the umpire England did batted second but match ended while third innings was still in progress. The incident *might* have happened in second test at Hyderabad which came closest to a decision when Boycott and Brereley batted out the 5th day (4th inning) to draw it, Miadad was 61 NO in the third innings and Qadir took 6 in first. But Shakoor Rana was *not* the umpire.

    Next time Bob Taylor toured Pakistan was in 1984 Shakoor Rana umpired in one test but Miandad did not play that series and John Lever career had ended by then.

    He should be careful when making judgemental comments 35+ years on when not all parties are even alive

  • POSTED BY Andy on | February 26, 2014, 22:41 GMT

    Well done Michael Jones! One of my favourite cricket stats: I couldn't resist it.

  • POSTED BY Philip on | February 26, 2014, 20:53 GMT

    I'd like to know what Taylor thinks of modern English keeping. Prior has been serviceable, but it is a lesser style, not the gold-standard of Taylor and Knott. The modern half-squat with hands stiff and protruded, which is now almost universal in England and hardly unknown in Australia, is never going to produce the fluency of yore. It is all about batting now, but how many wickets are not taken in the process of concentrating on runs alone? Giving the bowlers a target to bowl to is important, but so is backing them up properly in the field, but one only has to look at recent trends at youth levels to see that pure wicket-keeping is barely hanging on in some countries. An ability to hit boundaries is now seen as a keeper's greatest asset and limited overs cricket, which Taylor stated his lack of interest in, is the chief culprit. Yes, unfortunately, a young Taylor wouldn't get a game today and the game is much the poorer for it.

  • POSTED BY Dummy4 on | February 26, 2014, 19:17 GMT

    To answer OldAdam's conundrum: Taylor broke the record for most FC runs without making a century (held by Tony Lock with 10,342), then handed it back once he did make one. Lock still holds the record for most runs without ever making a century, while Taylor holds that for most runs before his first century.

  • POSTED BY Dummy4 on | February 26, 2014, 19:08 GMT

    Never knew he played for Staffordshire, my county, weird, right?

  • POSTED BY Dummy4 on | February 26, 2014, 18:37 GMT

    @foursandsixes - as I remember it, Rana would only give a Pakistani batsman out if all three stumps were out of the ground, and maybe not then...

  • POSTED BY Naveed on | February 26, 2014, 16:16 GMT

    sounds like a solid bloke................the world needs more solid people.........!

  • POSTED BY Satish on | February 26, 2014, 16:12 GMT

    Funny.. that bit about Shakoor Rana in Pakistan. Bet it wasn't funny back then!

  • POSTED BY Andy on | February 26, 2014, 13:08 GMT

    Bob mentions his century against Yorkshire. Now here's a conundrum: which record did he break in that innings only to lose again in the same innings and which other record did he break at the same time?

    And, yes, the Chesterfield wicket was a great wicket in those days. Even the 1968 Australian tourists thought so, the game between them and Derbyshire that summer being the best game of cricket I've ever watched. Bob Taylor was, of course, in the Derbyshire side for that match.

  • POSTED BY Dummy4 on | February 26, 2014, 12:47 GMT

    We all owe the New Zealanders a big thank-you for letting Bob keep on that famous occasion - they had the perfect right to refuse to allow a substitute to come on and put the gloves on. And by giving it the OK they helped to make a lovely moment in cricket history... in what other sport would you ever see a businessman who happened to be in the crowd step on to the field and play?

  • POSTED BY David on | February 26, 2014, 11:23 GMT

    The general consensus is that Bob wouldn't get near the England team now, but that couldn't be further from the truth. With all the so called bits and pieces players we have now - Borthwick, Bresnan, Broad, even Stokes - it would be easy to lose Taylor at no 10 in the order.

    And then we'd have all the catches and stumpings taken, not the amateur flapping out we've seen from England keepers recently.

  • POSTED BY Nasser on | February 26, 2014, 10:06 GMT

    Test cricket - now that that is the real cricket. I fully endorse Bob Taylor.

  • POSTED BY Gregory on | February 26, 2014, 9:11 GMT

    I must confess I don't have very clear memories of Bob Taylor, but do remember his reputation as possibly even better than Knott. I regard the latter as the best keeper I have seen, by some margin. The first series I followed - 1970-71 Ashes - he was at his absolute best. I remember noting at the time that her never even fumbled a take, let alone dropped a catch. He took many superb catches in that series, and was equally good keeping to spin as to pace. In short, perfection, and you can't get any better than that...

  • POSTED BY Dummy4 on | February 26, 2014, 9:04 GMT

    What a player, and what a decent chap. Nowadays, of course, he'd never even tour as un understudy. Ah, the days when wicket-keeping ability played a part in selection.

  • POSTED BY Dummy4 on | February 26, 2014, 8:58 GMT

    He was easily the best 'glove man' I ever saw. I'll never forget his comments about the Chesterfield wickets I produced. He claimed them to be as fast or faster than Perth!

  • POSTED BY Dummy4 on | February 26, 2014, 8:52 GMT

    'Not interested in limited overs cricket'...... Ahhhhhhh a real cricketer. What a pity the boards don't have this view.

  • POSTED BY Android on | February 26, 2014, 7:31 GMT

    Great interview.

    I hope the fringe players in various teams are encouraged by this.

  • POSTED BY Mark on | February 26, 2014, 6:52 GMT

    Some people regard Bob Taylor as the best ever, and he's certainly in the top 5 that I've ever seen. He gives too much credit to Knott for his ability - Knott was great, but Taylor was the better keeper, it was only Knotty's batting that put him above Bob. Nice to hear from a really nice guy.

  • POSTED BY Peter on | February 26, 2014, 6:52 GMT

    I had the privilege of watching this guy keep when I was young. Subsequent clips of him only confirmed just how good this guy was, still one of the best glovemen I have laid eyes on.

  • POSTED BY Steve on | February 26, 2014, 6:10 GMT

    Bob Taylor is easily one of the very best WK of all time in addition to being gentleman. A real ornament to the game!

  • POSTED BY Dummy4 on | February 26, 2014, 6:08 GMT

    Taylor himself kept wicket with a minimum of fuss. You wouldn't even know he was there. Top class.

  • POSTED BY Dummy4 on | February 26, 2014, 4:12 GMT

    One of the best keepers - a pure wicketkeeper - unobtrusive and unfussy. A percentage man and not a flashy show pony. Great insights Bob.